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Woodsong
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Capt. Bill1
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 Posted - Jul 25 2010 : 10:27:33
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As they say "You get what you pay for". Anchors are primary safety gear. Not an area I like to bargain shop for.
If I was looking the save money, I'd look for a good used name brand anchor rather than a cheap knock off. |
The two most common elements on Earth are oxygen and stupidity.
Creationism is to science what storks are to obstetrics.
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stmbtwle
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Posted - Jul 25 2010 : 11:29:42
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Note the strange "dogleg" in the shank of the Delta anchor (also on a Rocna). This helps the anchor self-launch off a bowsprit; anchors without the dogleg might not. A couple years ago I purchased a "Claw" with a straight shank. It holds well but when released it simply sat there on the bowsprit, while the Delta is gone in a heartbeat. Take a cold hard look at your bow roller and then decide. If you drop your anchor manually it won't matter, but it makes a difference when you're single-handing.
A good anchor that's quick to deploy is cheap insurance. |
Willie... She's a tired old gal but she's paid for! (several times over) |
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sugilbert
L'Chiam
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Posted - Jul 25 2010 : 13:19:39
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quote:
Originally posted by stmbtwle
Note the strange "dogleg" in the shank of the Delta anchor (also on a Rocna). This helps the anchor self-launch off a bowsprit; anchors without the dogleg might not. A couple years ago I purchased a "Claw" with a straight shank. It holds well but when released it simply sat there on the bowsprit, while the Delta is gone in a heartbeat. Take a cold hard look at your bow roller and then decide. If you drop your anchor manually it won't matter, but it makes a difference when you're single-handing.
A good anchor that's quick to deploy is cheap insurance.
That 'dogleg' doesn't always work! Had a problem WITH a Delta. Went with bigger Delta--same; customized my bow roller by dropping it--same; bought a totally new bow roller--same; finally, I cut and installed a large block of Delrin (free from son's work) to raise the bitter end of the Delta and, presto--success! All's well with the anchoring world now :) |
Steve
"L'Chiam" 29' 2000 Regal Commodore 2765 (2660) T/4.3 Alphas |
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CurrentSea
USA
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Posted - Jul 25 2010 : 17:07:08
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I asm looking for a new anchor too.
I think i may go back to the fortress.
My roller is best for a danforth style and the fortress holds good by me.
Just gotta figure out which one is best the fx23 or fx37 for my size boat.
I have a fx16 that I will be selling.
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Radioactive
USA
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Posted - Jul 25 2010 : 17:39:03
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"which one is best"
Imho, it never hurts to get the larger one, unless of course you don't have a windlass or "anchor wench". Having oversize ground tackle adds to a good night's rest while on the hook. |
Bill
"No matter where you go, there you are." -- Buckaroo Bonzai
"There is nothing--absolutely nothing - half so much worth doing as simply messing about in boats." - Kenneth Grahame |
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Paul Isaac
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Posted - Jul 25 2010 : 17:42:40
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| I love my anchor wench. |
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stmbtwle
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Posted - Jul 25 2010 : 23:18:08
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I wish I HAD an anchor wench... a windlass is a pretty poor substitution (but at least it doesn't talk back!)
That Delrin block sounds like a good idea, maybe I can get that "Claw" to work. Thanks! |
Willie... She's a tired old gal but she's paid for! (several times over) |
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RamSport47
USA
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Posted - Jul 26 2010 : 04:56:33
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| I have a Sea Choice anchor on my boat, and the welds all look fine and it holds very well. I don't see an inferiority issue at all with it. |
Kenny
The Dog House
1988 Carver 2757 Montego
T-Merc 3.7 Alphas |
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rawidman
USA
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Posted - Jul 26 2010 : 08:44:49
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quote:
Originally posted by stmbtwle
Note the strange "dogleg" in the shank of the Delta anchor (also on a Rocna). This helps the anchor self-launch off a bowsprit; anchors without the dogleg might not. A couple years ago I purchased a "Claw" with a straight shank. It holds well but when released it simply sat there on the bowsprit, while the Delta is gone in a heartbeat. Take a cold hard look at your bow roller and then decide. If you drop your anchor manually it won't matter, but it makes a difference when you're single-handing.
A good anchor that's quick to deploy is cheap insurance.
My claw anchor doesn't "self launch" but someone has to go to the bow to untie the safety line anyway so it's not really an issue for me.
As for "brand name" vs. "knock off", the anchor is pretty important for many of us. If you anchor a lot and/or sleep on the boat or leave it unattended, It's probably best to go with a well known and respected brand. |
Ron
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rawidman
USA
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Posted - Jul 26 2010 : 08:46:09
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quote:
Originally posted by Paul Isaac
I love my anchor wench.
I'm quite fond of mine also. |
Ron
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Woodsong
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Posted - Jul 29 2010 : 08:24:18
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Well. The boat we are buying just has more and more storage than I can imagine. I "thought" I had found all the storage compartments already. However, I was crawling around her again yesterday with the surveyor and looky what I found in a small compartment hidden up under the vanity table in the aft stateroom! Looks like I won't be needing to order a new anchor online afterall!! :)
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Philyteach
USA
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Posted - Jul 29 2010 : 09:35:35
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| Just a thought, but if the anchor was that well hidden away maybe its because the previous owner didn't like how it worked with the boat. |
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Capt. Bill1
USA
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Posted - Jul 29 2010 : 09:35:47
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At least it's a real Bruce. And not a knock off.
But hidden up under a vanity is still probably the best place for it. :-) |
The two most common elements on Earth are oxygen and stupidity.
Creationism is to science what storks are to obstetrics.
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Woodsong
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Posted - Jul 29 2010 : 10:20:12
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I am going to give it a shot and see how I like it. The delta plough holds very well on the muddy bottom of Lanier....we'll see how the bruce does. It certainly must be better than the little tiny danforth on the windlass right now- I wouldn't use that anchor for more than a 25 footer! I've never used a bruce though...it's my understanding that they hold pretty good in mud/weeds?
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PascalG
USA
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Posted - Jul 29 2010 : 10:29:22
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can't see the size but you should be fine with it especially in mud and sand. we have a "knock off" Bruce, 110lbs, and that thing holds very well. i'm very impressed with it aftert 2 1/2 all over teh east coast from New England to the Bahamas. yesterday again, i anchored in Hadley Harbor off Woods Hole MA and it was crowded. when we left, it was buried deep in the mud and took a while to get ogf the bottom.
for pure holding in mud and sand it's hard to beat a Fortress but they dont' reset |
Pascal
1970 Hatteras 53 MY
12' Westphal Catboat
16' Hobie Cat
2007 Sandbarhopper 13
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Woodsong
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Posted - Jul 29 2010 : 10:48:49
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It's a 33 lb. Bruce. If I was to buy one I would have gone the next size up but reality is that for a single screw 36 footer on Lake Lanier with virtually no heavy weather, etc. a 33 lb Bruce I imagine would hold us just fine.
I had a danforth on my 33' express- thought it was good til I had the delta plough. Danforths just don't set well up here on the lake with the clay bottom and weeds! We would frequently end up dragging and having to reset.
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Capt. Bill1
USA
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Posted - Jul 29 2010 : 14:30:15
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quote:
Originally posted by Woodsong
I am going to give it a shot and see how I like it. The delta plough holds very well on the muddy bottom of Lanier....we'll see how the bruce does. It certainly must be better than the little tiny danforth on the windlass right now- I wouldn't use that anchor for more than a 25 footer! I've never used a bruce though...it's my understanding that they hold pretty good in mud/weeds?
I'm sure it will be fine. I've just seen them drag too often. But they are not that good in weeds.
Mud bottoms are tough for a lot of anchors. Test it by setting it well and let it rest for a while. Then back down on it hard for a minute or two. See what happens. If it holds at first then drags, that is what you can expect it to do in a blow.
And like I said, it least it's a real one so you know the quality and geometry of it are good. That can't be said for many of the knock offs.
If you are going to be anchoring in mud bottoms most or all of the time, I think there are better anchors out there for that.
But give that one shot and see how it does.
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The two most common elements on Earth are oxygen and stupidity.
Creationism is to science what storks are to obstetrics.
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boatbum
USA
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Posted - Jul 29 2010 : 17:51:41
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| Beware of Fortress in a grassy bottom. We were never able to set it and switched to a delta. I have yet to try the Fortress with the deep angle mud setting. |
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rawidman
USA
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Posted - Aug 09 2010 : 07:12:48
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quote:
Originally posted by Capt. Bill1
At least it's a real Bruce. And not a knock off.
But hidden up under a vanity is still probably the best place for it. :-)
My boat came from the PO with a claw or "Bruce knockoff" anchor (I believe 22 lb) and it has worked very well for us. I has yet to drag and we anchor in areas with reversing tidal currents.
On second thought, it did drag when, despite my fears, six other 30'+ boats decided to raft up to us on a tidal river.
Other than that time, it has not failed us. |
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pdecat
USA
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Posted - Aug 09 2010 : 07:23:06
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| The concept of a lunch hook seems to have disappeared with the arrival of windlasses but thats probbly all you need on the lake. |
Bruce
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posts are amateur opinion only and should not be relied on as reasonable, safe, proper or in any way recommended.
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Woodsong
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Posted - Aug 09 2010 : 08:05:10
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I used the bruce this weekend as we anchored out for the first time. Definitely slower to set than my delta plough was on the silverton....mixed thoughts on it so far, though it did hold well once set. We'll see. I am going to give it a few more chances but I may go back to a delta!!!
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rawidman
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Posted - Aug 09 2010 : 13:13:36
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quote:
Originally posted by Woodsong
I used the bruce this weekend as we anchored out for the first time. Definitely slower to set than my delta plough was on the silverton....mixed thoughts on it so far, though it did hold well once set. We'll see. I am going to give it a few more chances but I may go back to a delta!!!
My "Bruce knockoff" has never failed to set on the first try but I have 30' of 5/16 G4 chain. That might make a difference. |
Ron
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Woodsong
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Posted - Aug 09 2010 : 13:39:01
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our boat has about 150' of chain...just seemed to take longer to set than I thought it would be we are going to play around with it and see what we think.
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Capt. Bill1
USA
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Posted - Aug 09 2010 : 13:55:37
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What kind of bottom were you in?
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The two most common elements on Earth are oxygen and stupidity.
Creationism is to science what storks are to obstetrics.
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Seachoice vs. Delta anchor?