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TurboWarp
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426 Posts |
 Posted - Jul 28 2010 : 19:40:58
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Hi all,
We are thinking of selling our 2005 Carver 33 Super Sport. For us this boat has been a joy and extremely easy to use and very stable in the water. We are looking at 2005-2006 Carver Cockpit Motor Yacht. We want a little more room and space for entertaining that the SS sedan bridge does not offer as much of. What I am concerned about us loosing the easy maneuvering and stability of my 33 with its 18,000 pound 13.1 beam when replacing it with a higher super structure 444, 30K pound 13.11 beam CMY. I am very spoiled I guess with the boat that I have. Does anyone have any experience with such as change? Am I being paranoid? I saw a Silverton 39 that looked like it was having a hard time righting itself in a 3 foot river wave. It was not really rocking but seemed to take a very long time to get over the wave and right itself. Need your great advice again. Anyway to calculate stability old versus new?
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Edited by - TurboWarp on Jul 30 2010 17:08:30 |
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AbsoLoot
Abso-Loot
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Posted - Jul 28 2010 : 20:02:44
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I can't personally speak to the Carver 444 but I have a 48 ft Californian cockpit motor yacht (39,000 lbs.. It has a fine entry and cuts right thru the waves. It does roll a bit in a beam sea, but I think all boats tend to do that. With the diesel power plants low in the hull and heavy fiberglass hull, I think it rides really well.
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TurboWarp
USA
426 Posts |
Posted - Jul 28 2010 : 20:10:05
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Thanks Dave,
We really like the Navigator 44 but it suffers much the same layout-wise as the super sports. Requires a strange 5 foot draft. |
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Radioactive
USA
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Posted - Jul 28 2010 : 20:21:34
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Funny you should ask that question; I am currently reading the chapter on stability ( Chap. 15 )( just exactly what you are asking about ) in Dave Gerr's, "The Nature of Boats". The book might be described as naval architecture for the average guy.
You can get a very good idea of stability by timing the time a boat completes a full roll from full over port to full over starboard ( or vice versa ) to get roll time do several times, then average ). Then divide the time by the vessel beam, in meters. You are looking for a number very near, or slightly less than 1.
Check out the chapter, as a) he understands this better than I do, b) he, ahem, wrote the book and c) he goes into greater detail on the implication. ( Book is inexpensive and/or may be available at the library )
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"No matter where you go, there you are." -- Buckaroo Bonzai
"There is nothing--absolutely nothing - half so much worth doing as simply messing about in boats." - Kenneth Grahame |
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370 Motoryacht
USA
119 Posts |
Posted - Jul 28 2010 : 22:27:33
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| You will probably love the ride of the cockpit motoryacht over what you have now. I have run both boats on occasion and the 444 is a nice heavy diesel powered motoryacht. |
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vided
USA
172 Posts |
Posted - Jul 29 2010 : 05:51:27
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i had a 03 carver 444 for seven seasons and like it very much.
never went where capt. phil did his boating, but for coastal boating it's fine. |
silverton, 36c w/ips |
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bradt
USA
121 Posts |
Posted - Jul 29 2010 : 07:27:27
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| We have a 2002 444 and love it. Not sure where you will do your boating but for the Chesapeake and along the Altantic coast line, never had an issue, but as Vided noted above, we haven't been in the Berring Sea with it yet. |
SlapShot
Carver 444 CPMY
Kent Narrows, MD |
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pdecat
USA
23612 Posts |
Posted - Jul 29 2010 : 07:34:46
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TW: You dont mention the new boats beam but it is probably 15'. That extra beam adds a lot to initial stability, however it probably has a low dead rise which promotes quick response to waves compared to deeper V hulls. Compare the dead rise of the old and new boat for an idea about that. Also compare the shape of the forwards sections to gain an idea about wave breaking and slow speed handling.
We had a thread a while back showing PIX of several boats pointing out the different boatom shapes, perhaps somebody can find it. |
Bruce
legal disclaimer;
posts are amateur opinion only and should not be relied on as reasonable, safe, proper or in any way recommended.
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KiDa
USA
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Posted - Jul 29 2010 : 07:35:50
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| Make sure the interior meets your needs. I almost pulled the trigger on a Carver 390 CPMY a few weeks ago thinking the extra 6 feet would allow for more time aboard especially in the winter. When I toured the vessel, I found it to have only slightly more interior room than my 33. Great boat, but just not for me. |
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BillyK
USA
383 Posts |
Posted - Jul 29 2010 : 08:53:48
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I have a Carver 356 Motoryacht and we love it. I have twin gas 6.2s and they are thirsty. The only other drawback is it is a sail. Like you are worried about, the wind will take this boat if you do not control it. Practice using your throttles during docking and you will have no problems. Since it is a sail you can and will be blown off course, again with practice you can overcome this too. The effort will be worth it when you are docked. It is like having a townhouse apartment and we love it. None of us are small and we fit a family of four with a Labrador with ease. Last year we went to Maine from south shore Long Island. Off Cape Ann we ran into 20' seas and I've been on better handling boats but she pulled through with no issues. Hope this helps.
Billy K.
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MarcJ
USA
121 Posts |
Posted - Jul 29 2010 : 10:44:12
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Everything in boating is a compromise.
When I'm at the dock or cruising I like a big boat but while I'm docking I like small boats. |
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vided
USA
172 Posts |
Posted - Jul 29 2010 : 17:41:48
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quote:
Originally posted by KiDa
Make sure the interior meets your needs. I almost pulled the trigger on a Carver 390 CPMY a few weeks ago thinking the extra 6 feet would allow for more time aboard especially in the winter. When I toured the vessel, I found it to have only slightly more interior room than my 33. Great boat, but just not for me.
not to stir the pot, but comparing a cpmy to a express cruiser is
the old apples to lemons.
one is roomie and bright and then there is the express.
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silverton, 36c w/ips |
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JeffN
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Posted - Jul 29 2010 : 18:18:15
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| any utube vids on that model? Not sure what you might divine from watching one but it's amazing what on there these days. |
"I'm from the government and I'm here to heal you." |
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jacko
126 Posts |
Posted - Jul 29 2010 : 19:14:18
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Turbo, quick buy it....... I want a ride!
I will trade you mine for yours!
:)
Are you going to be around this weekend?
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TurboWarp
USA
426 Posts |
Posted - Jul 30 2010 : 17:14:12
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Bill
Thanks a bunch. I will check out the Nature of Boats
Bruce,
The beam is 13 ft 11 in. 10 more inches than my 33.
Jacko
You can ride with me anytime. Just came back from Solomons so I may not be down much this weekend. Saw your bimini. Wow
All,
Thanks, There is one in FL with 300 hours on it. Still concerned with the handling. More the handling than the ride is my concern.
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mrmal
USA
211 Posts |
Posted - Jul 31 2010 : 06:25:21
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| We bought the 444CMY three years ago. I cannot say enough good things about the boat. The room is incredible. Have had 20 people on the boat with room to spare. As for the stability, it has not been any problem. the boat is heavy and not in the least bit top heavy. It handles like a dream. the diesel engines make it easy to manuever in tight places. |
Joe
2003 Carver 444 CMY, "Sereni-Tee"
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stmbtwle
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Posted - Jul 31 2010 : 10:57:22
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quote:
Originally posted by MarcJ
Everything in boating is a compromise...
Bingo!!!
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Willie... She's a tired old gal but she's paid for! (several times over) |
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TurboWarp
USA
426 Posts |
Posted - Aug 01 2010 : 17:58:08
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| Thanks Joe, do you have the dinette version? I know they don't ship with a washer dryer, but we are looking for aplce to put one. Do you have one? |
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vided
USA
172 Posts |
Posted - Aug 01 2010 : 18:22:19
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Originally posted by TurboWarp
Thanks Joe, do you have the dinette version? I know they don't ship with a washer dryer, but we are looking for aplce to put one. Do you have one?
carver installed w/d in port hang locker in forward stateroom.
if your interested go to
http://www.yachtworld.com/statenisland/statenisland_1.html |
silverton, 36c w/ips |
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mariner36
107 Posts |
Posted - Aug 09 2010 : 12:31:42
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| The Carver 56CPMY pictured in the link is gorgeous, and seems to have a great layout. |
1985 Carver Mariner 36 |
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