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mixman
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 Posted - Mar 09 2010 : 21:59:11
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From ESPN:
The Obama administration will accept no more public input for a federal strategy that could prohibit U.S. citizens from fishing the nation's oceans, coastal areas, Great Lakes, and even inland waters.
http://sports.espn.go.com/outdoors/saltwater/news/story?id=4975762
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JohnC
USA
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gcolton
USA
7909 Posts |
Posted - Mar 10 2010 : 05:31:12
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Even Obama would not be so stupid as to try to outlaw recreational fishing.
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psalzer
USA
6208 Posts |
Posted - Mar 10 2010 : 06:28:16
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Originally posted by gcolton
Even Obama would not be so stupid as to try to outlaw recreational fishing.
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George, I'm not so sure ... he's done some pretty stupid things in the last year of so. I have to ask .. why is this even being mentioned??? Someone who has his ear has an ajenda!! |
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rnbenton
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Posted - Mar 10 2010 : 06:39:13
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I do know that here in on the Florida east coast we have already had a Snapper Season implemented for the first time (all snapper, not just red) and now they are talking about making the season apply to all bottom fishing because of "by-catch". Fishermen going after Grouper but "accidently" catching a snapper. Catch and release you say. OK, great, but a snapper yanked up from 150' or so, even if vented will probably not survive. It will either drown or be eaten by dolphins as it swims down again. (Yes, dolphins have learned to follow fishing boats around and wait for released fish)I have been out in the Gulf in an area where a head boat was fishing and can usually follow him around just by the trail of floating red snapper left behind.So, their answer is to seasonally ban all bottom fishing. (so far this is just a proposal but it seems to have steam)
The problem is that the data they are using to make these descisions was accumulated back in the 90's which in my eyes makes it non-current if not down right flawed.
I am certainly not a marine biologist and wouldn't know how to conduct a fish count if they asked me. What I do know is that I am retired and fish A LOT. From that perspective, there is no shortage of snapper off the NE coast of Florida. I catch good sized, healthy fish every time out. (and, yes, like most of my friends, when I catch 2-3 nice fish I stop and start trolling)
The effect so far is that the charter fishing industry in NE Florida has been devistated. Where it extends from there, we'll have to wait and see.
Bob
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mixman
USA
1934 Posts |
Posted - Mar 10 2010 : 06:41:21
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From the Examiner: " some fringe environmental groups have expressed foolish and extreme ideas about fishing "
Doesn't that sound exactly like the Obama administration? |
--Kurt
2002 Motorcat MC30 "Deuce"
17 knot cruise at 5mpg (3.5/gph). Two hulls are better than one! |
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rnbenton
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Posted - Mar 10 2010 : 06:44:48
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Originally posted by mixman
From the Examiner: " some fringe environmental groups have expressed foolish and extreme ideas about fishing "
Doesn't that sound exactly like the Obama administration?
Not really Kurt. It's more Obama's style to hold the meeting behind closed doors and keep it all from public eyes. 
Bob
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tugboat kevin
943 Posts |
Posted - Mar 10 2010 : 07:00:59
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| you guys should watch this ! this president is sucker punching this country so hard this is pearl harbor2 thank god he has awakened the sleeping giant its about time we took this country back! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HcBaSP31Be8 |
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tugboat kevin
943 Posts |
Posted - Mar 10 2010 : 07:04:47
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| 90 percent of the 2000 page bill was crafted by insurance company lobbiest is that not a warning? is anyone else wonder why this 2700 page bill is not open to see or debate on the today show or any debate in the news system? less this should go on the front page this affects all of us that boat! |
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yzer
USA
6636 Posts |
Posted - Mar 10 2010 : 07:05:58
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A catfish must have more brains than Robert Montgomery, who wrote the ESPN article. Now you've lemmings following catfish. Strange times, indeed.
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sortie
USA
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Posted - Mar 10 2010 : 07:06:12
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What Bob has described for the NE coast of Florida,applies to the central east coast as well.I am in the same boat so to speak as Bob, I am semi-retired and fish a lot. I am seeing a careless and heavy handed treatment of a very large industry in this state. Charter fishing, sport fishing and all those business that are a part of these industries.
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mixman
USA
1934 Posts |
Posted - Mar 10 2010 : 07:11:13
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Originally posted by yzer
Now you've lemmings following catfish. Strange times, indeed.
Did you call me a Lemming? I can prove I'm not; I didn't vote for Barry. |
--Kurt
2002 Motorcat MC30 "Deuce"
17 knot cruise at 5mpg (3.5/gph). Two hulls are better than one! |
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yzer
USA
6636 Posts |
Posted - Mar 10 2010 : 07:14:03
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Kiss your rods and reels goodbye... just like he took away all the guns and ammo.
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"Whiskey is for drinking, water is for fighting over." -Samuel Clemens |
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Capt. Bill1
USA
5625 Posts |
Posted - Mar 10 2010 : 07:14:08
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| Take it to NBR please. |
The two most common elements on Earth are oxygen and stupidity.
Creationism is to science what storks are to obstetrics.
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psalzer
USA
6208 Posts |
Posted - Mar 10 2010 : 07:15:26
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| A typical Yzer response!! |
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yzer
USA
6636 Posts |
Posted - Mar 10 2010 : 07:21:12
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Oh, oh. Opposition! Take it to NBR please.
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mixman
USA
1934 Posts |
Posted - Mar 10 2010 : 07:22:42
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Originally posted by Capt. Bill1
Take it to NBR please.
Actually, let's just keep it on topic. This is about fishing, which is very much a part of boating. |
--Kurt
2002 Motorcat MC30 "Deuce"
17 knot cruise at 5mpg (3.5/gph). Two hulls are better than one! |
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yzer
USA
6636 Posts |
Posted - Mar 10 2010 : 07:37:35
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We might see things differently on the left coast (no surprise there). Here we have sport fishermen aligned with environmental groups aligned with commercial fisherman. Problems here include a huge water grab going on in northern CA and it's potential effect on fishing. Many species crashing along the coast including a devastated salmon fishery. The interests of water users and salmon aquaculture are running up against sport fishermen and the rest of the fishing industry. We see things a little differently.
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KiDa
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12800 Posts |
Posted - Mar 10 2010 : 07:39:40
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Mia Culpa. I thought this was in NBR.
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yzer
USA
6636 Posts |
Posted - Mar 10 2010 : 07:48:33
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Go in peace.
But come back again, y'all.
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speedo
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Posted - Mar 10 2010 : 07:51:28
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Originally posted by KiDa
Mia Culpa. I thought this was in NBR.
It is. It's under the subject line "News to Me" by Matt Mosbacher.
Agree with Yzer on this. It's just another whispering campaign. "Pssst. Psssst!!! Hey, did you hear? Obama wants to take away your fishing poles." Yep, just like the guns and ammo warnings. |
Speedo
Chico, CA
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Matt Mosbacher
2616 Posts |
Posted - Mar 10 2010 : 07:57:11
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| I recall someone close to Obama has already stated he wants a ban hunting and fishing and give animals legal rights to attorneys. Don't laugh, Switzerland has just passed a law requiring legal representation for any animal. |
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rnbenton
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Posted - Mar 10 2010 : 08:12:17
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Originally posted by yzer
We might see things differently on the left coast (no surprise there). Here we have sport fishermen aligned with environmental groups aligned with commercial fisherman.
Fairly pompus don't you think? Florida fishermen spend more money per annum on habitat and fisheries management than any other state, including California.
Bob
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Ironworks
USA
482 Posts |
Posted - Mar 10 2010 : 08:12:25
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| Please move this to the Fishing Forum where it belongs. It is too fishy for NBR. |
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psalzer
USA
6208 Posts |
Posted - Mar 10 2010 : 09:15:02
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"Kiss your rods and reels goodbye... just like he took away all the guns and ammo."
Pssst. He is still trying to do the guns and ammo thing, he would do it in a minute if he could get away with it!!
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jmeirhofer
USA
389 Posts |
Posted - Mar 10 2010 : 10:29:02
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| Smoke and mirrors. Through enough stupid stuff out there for us to quabble about and take the attention off the items you really want to get passed. Then do an about face on the others. Keeps happening over and over. |
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Harlan
5246 Posts |
Posted - Mar 10 2010 : 10:48:35
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| The Mocha Messiah and his minions will throw these enviro wackos a bone of somekind. Won't bwe much but, they will give them a right or two of ours. |
If you are talking about me behind my back, you are in position to kiss my ass.
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GonzoF1
USA
239 Posts |
Posted - Mar 10 2010 : 10:59:11
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| Agreed. It's pretty obtuse to think that somehow the government would take something like that away for no reason and with no prior evidence supporting even the suspicion of such an act. In the midst of a jobs growth initiative, why would they snuff out the entire industry, including rods, reels, line, boats, tackle, sports shops, bait... etc.? For that matter... He's given ZERO evidence to suspect he'd take you guns away either. Try and think in the middle and stay away from the idiotic extremes! |
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psalzer
USA
6208 Posts |
Posted - Mar 10 2010 : 11:26:28
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| Gonzo, have you ever read or heard Obama's views on gun control while in the senate?? Interesting!!!! He backs away from them somewhat now, just like he backs away from his Pastor of 20+ years (Rev. Wright). The man is a snake in the grass!! |
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MikeeH
USA
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Posted - Mar 10 2010 : 12:35:27
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| I have not heard Mr. Glib (spelling intentional) or anyone in the administration say it ain't so yet. |
Mike
He’s one of those who knows that life
Is just a leap of faith;
Spread your arms and hold you breath;
Always trust your cape. Guy Clark
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jmeirhofer
USA
389 Posts |
Posted - Mar 10 2010 : 14:33:46
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| That is a good point Mike. As big of an issue as this is surely to be you would think someone from that administration would have released a statement denying it by now. |
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yzer
USA
6636 Posts |
Posted - Mar 10 2010 : 14:38:53
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Absolutely. If the administration doesn't deny any of millions of possible paranoid scenarios ranging to space aliens to eugenics programs then they must be guilty of the same.
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lil red truck
USA
1930 Posts |
Posted - Mar 10 2010 : 17:14:56
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For Pete's sake. Some people will believe anything they want to believe.
http://tinyurl.com/yaznjp3
Please. Everyone go work on your boats so that you can go fishing. |
Honora
1987 Bayliner Ciera 2450
Matthew 7:12
Guard well within yourself that treasure, kindness. Know how to give without hesitation, how to lose without regret, how to acquire without meanness." ~ George Sand
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Capt. Bill1
USA
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Posted - Mar 10 2010 : 17:24:55
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Originally posted by mixman
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Originally posted by Capt. Bill1
Take it to NBR please.
Actually, let's just keep it on topic. This is about fishing, which is very much a part of boating.
BS.
And if that were true, why is it not in the fishing forum. Where "trolling" is at least more on topic. |
The two most common elements on Earth are oxygen and stupidity.
Creationism is to science what storks are to obstetrics.
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Capt. Bill1
USA
5625 Posts |
Posted - Mar 10 2010 : 17:30:32
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Originally posted by Matt Mosbacher
I recall someone close to Obama has already stated he wants a ban hunting and fishing and give animals legal rights to attorneys. Don't laugh, Switzerland has just passed a law requiring legal representation for any animal.
Time to turn off your AM radio and do a little fact checking:
"Swiss voters reject giving abused animals a lawyer"
"By FRANK JORDANS, Associated Press Writer Frank Jordans, Associated Press Writer – Sun Mar 7, 12:59 pm ET
GENEVA – The result was emphatic: Swiss voters don't think abused animals need to have their own lawyers."
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100307/ap_on_re_eu/eu_switzerland_lawyers_for_animals
Now maybe this will get moved to NBR. |
The two most common elements on Earth are oxygen and stupidity.
Creationism is to science what storks are to obstetrics.
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seahawk215
USA
1164 Posts |
Posted - Mar 10 2010 : 18:07:50
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| It was brought over here to get more responses. I am going to go down and pick up a few things I may need before the fox news crowd makes the big run on fishing equipment like the ammo. Hopefully I will get there before the price increase. |
Randy Arline
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Miss KimberLeighann
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wingatesl
USA
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Posted - Mar 10 2010 : 18:37:38
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seahawk215
USA
1164 Posts |
Posted - Mar 10 2010 : 18:55:20
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Miss KimberLeighann
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yzer
USA
6636 Posts |
Posted - Mar 10 2010 : 18:58:23
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The trout death panel.
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lil red truck
USA
1930 Posts |
Posted - Mar 10 2010 : 19:06:58
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Honora
1987 Bayliner Ciera 2450
Matthew 7:12
Guard well within yourself that treasure, kindness. Know how to give without hesitation, how to lose without regret, how to acquire without meanness." ~ George Sand
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yzer
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rnbenton
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Posted - Mar 10 2010 : 21:30:13
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All of the above comments not withstanding, I can tell you that on June 7th an announcement will be made in Orlando as to how much of the South Atlantic will be closed to ALL bottom fishing and for how long. They are going to close 10's of thousands of square miles of the south Atlantic to all bottom fishing for up to 20 years. This is for both recreational and commercial fishing.
The Florida tourist economy will be terribly effected, even worse than it is already.
Bob
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Matt Mosbacher
2616 Posts |
Posted - Mar 11 2010 : 07:40:34
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| There was an administration press release yesterday stating that it is the governments responsibility to protect the ecosystems of all the Lakes, rivers, ponds, streams and off shore waters of the USA and it has the right to determine the uses of them. |
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vic33004
USA
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Posted - Mar 11 2010 : 07:44:37
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if you go to ESPN Sports GO website and look up the original article there is an article there from the editors of ESPN discussing the original article. while they are not retracting the story, they are putting some distance betweem themselves and the author by calling it an editorial piece that was not properly disclosed as such and may have been interpreted as a news report.
if something does'nt pass the sniff test there's usually a reason and the original piece did not pass that one..........lol. |
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Harlan
5246 Posts |
Posted - Mar 11 2010 : 07:53:04
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| Get ready, you are going to lose the right to fish in certain areas just as Bob posted above. These crumbs will be enough to quiet the enviro wackos. They will be back later asking for more, you're going to lose rights a little at a time until they get you in line with their views. Time to stand up and vote these clowns out of office, Dumbocrats and Republicans alike. |
If you are talking about me behind my back, you are in position to kiss my ass.
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psalzer
USA
6208 Posts |
Posted - Mar 11 2010 : 08:02:16
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"Claiming to be the result of a public consultation process the report states, “Having considered a broad range of public comments, this report reflects the requests and concerns of all interested parties.”
The original White House memo and not surprisingly the Task Force report contains multiple references to developing a national policy where Great Lakes and coastal regions are managed, “consistent with international law, including customary international law as reflected in the 1982 United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea” - a 300-page treaty the U.S. has never ratified.
“We question what implications there will be for state authority and jurisdiction in the Great Lakes and coastal regions if the U.S. adopts the U.N. Treaty,” said Pfeiffer.
The report makes it clear that future authority for implementing the policy for coastal and inland waters will fall under White House jurisdiction with a new National Ocean Council comprised of over 20 federal agencies at Cabinet Secretary or Deputy Secretary level. No reference to Congressional jurisdiction is indicated.
“This significant change in U.S. policy direction is the result of a 90-day fire drill process as ordered by the President that, not surprisingly, lacks balance, clarity and quality in the end product,” said Morlock. “People who simply want to take their kids fishing on public waters deserve better from their government,” he added."
With regards to the posts by Matt & Bob above ... I have to wonder why our President would want to change the existing policy. Don't we have more important things to worry about? As I write this FOX news is reporting anonther "Dems only closed door meeting on health care"! Why the secret Ms. Pelosi and Mr. President??
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Harlan
5246 Posts |
Posted - Mar 11 2010 : 08:30:18
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Pete,
We're just dumb taxpayers, we aren't smart enough to understand the complex issues they are going to discuss, like how to shove it up or down one or more of our body orifices. |
If you are talking about me behind my back, you are in position to kiss my ass.
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marathon man
USA
267 Posts |
Posted - Mar 11 2010 : 09:35:47
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KiDa
USA
12800 Posts |
Posted - Mar 11 2010 : 09:36:28
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Take the article yzer linked with a grain of salt. The author says he is 40. He also says he was in fight over fisheries management for the last 30 years. Doing the math, he was an activist at 10. If that's the case, I applaud him. When I was 10 I was more concerned getting the fish in the boat. That and not getting my nuts caught in my zipper after I took a leak.
Narraganssett Bay got depelted when we allowed commercial fishing boats closer to shore. It happened in my life time but I can't recall under which president. I don't know if it ever came back. The commercial side does indeed need to be reeled in (no pun intended). |
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Saint Max
'99 330 Sundancer
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Capitalism is to this administration what Judaism was to the Third Reich.
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Estimator
USA
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Posted - Mar 11 2010 : 13:12:18
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Originally posted by marathon man
I thought Switzerland was Oklahoma?
LOL...took me a momment..but I got it :-)
Stan
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1997 Bayliner Capri 2350 LS SE, 454, Bravo III
"Everything is changing. People are taking their comedians seriously and the politicians as a joke."
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HaveADay
USA
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Posted - Mar 11 2010 : 13:28:01
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Originally posted by KiDa
Take the article yzer linked with a grain of salt. The author says he is 40. He also says he was in fight over fisheries management for the last 30 years. Doing the math, he was an activist at 10. If that's the case, I applaud him. When I was 10 I was more concerned getting the fish in the boat. That and not getting my nuts caught in my zipper after I took a leak.
Narraganssett Bay got depelted when we allowed commercial fishing boats closer to shore. It happened in my life time but I can't recall under which president. I don't know if it ever came back. The commercial side does indeed need to be reeled in (no pun intended).
If you're discounting the author based on those facts you should check the article again. The author states the following in two seperate areas of the article:
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I am 40 years old and for the last 20 years of my life I have been involved as a sportsman, a teacher, and a writer in fisheries management and fisheries politics in the Carolinas.
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But I will be the last one standing on the ship as it sinks if you tell me that to save ourselves we have to jump off and forget what has happened in fisheries management for the last 30 years. No, sir.
He doesn't state he's been involved in that fight for 30 years, he states it's been going on for 30 years. Nothing too hard about that to accept.
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